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and welcome back people to calling all

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beings i'm your host dj san marco here

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on a thursday night with my vacationing

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co-host is back

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the man you know the man that you're

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gonna see his pretty face

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for the first time party people put your

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hands together for nathan a wave soul

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what's up everybody

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man it is good to have you back nathan

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um my sounding board was gone so i would

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make a sound but it wouldn't come back

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it's like yelling into a cave and

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there's no echo it's terrible

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we'll get there but but you know what i

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want to say

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is one of the cool things about ufo

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twitter is that you meet and and my

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friend that's about to join us here in a

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second our special guest

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um

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you meet these interesting people and

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you have conversations and i don't know

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that there are other sections of twitter

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that are necessarily like that

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uh so i met uh lampe talking about

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anjali because she posted a whole bunch

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of uh basically uh i think it was a

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transcript of something i'm get her to

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remind me because now i forgot but we

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ended up having a great conversation and

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so i said you know what i'd really like

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to have you on tonight and talk so party

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people

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put your hands together

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hello

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um yeah the thread i made was basically

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just like um a compilation of all the

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links that you'd need to get caught up

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on the drama because by then there was a

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lot of it and there has only been more

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sense but

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new people are coming into uf oh twitter

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every day and even people who are

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regulars like aren't on constantly so

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things move fast and people really need

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a way to catch up on everything

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absolutely

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are there cooler glasses on ufo twitter

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than what you're wearing right now i

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don't think there is

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i mean i'm putting out a challenge if

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until then i'm declaring myself a

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champion i love it natasha dominguez

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check it out next time you're on the

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show you're gonna have to up your game

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girlfriend all right anyway um so

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you know

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there are a lot of interesting people

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today i actually heard somebody

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who was asking

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asking anjali

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uh if she would go on the stephen

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somebody show

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and answer hardball questions and from

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reading his tweet he sounded like a

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breathless petulant child

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and it's like oh you think if she goes

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stephen kisses show the hardball tough

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guy do you think she's gonna answer

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something different than what she

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answered what's he going to ask her that

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she's going to say differently

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what he's going to say i don't i don't

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believe you you're a liar like what is

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he going to say

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that's

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what right

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so talk to me

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yeah i don't know um

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i know that a lot of people are getting

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like there's always been skepticism of

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anjali but i feel like it's just only

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been ramping up since about a week after

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the press conference because people are

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wanting to know when she's going out to

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the desert and who the team is going to

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be and um

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so i understand the frustration but

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you're right people can be a little bit

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mean about it

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like i gave a very respectful response

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and that guy like blocked me or

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something and it's like i just i said

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look you know you're gonna know and

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she'll she she'll uh broadcast it uh

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probably after the fact you're not gonna

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know that she's going when she's going

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she's going to tell the appropriate

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people she's going to go and then when

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she comes back she'll report her

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findings what would be the point of them

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telling people ahead of time so that you

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can have people out on the road with

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binoculars and be nuts

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yeah um well i know that she did say

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that she was going to do a poll on ufo

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twitter where we could nominate someone

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to go which i don't know if she's still

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gonna do that but i hope she does

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because i'm very interested to see who

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definitely needs i mean she needs it

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honestly and we can get into this uh i

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think we could actually get into that

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discussion later the first thing i

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really wanted to ask you lampy and i've

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scripted out all these questions which

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what me nathan loves it because he he

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studied for class you know i'm

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extemporaneous you know when i do this

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so what made you go to the anjali press

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conference in the first place what drew

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you to that particular event

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so i was kind of late to the anjali

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party like um a lot of people have been

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following her on twitter and on reddit

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since she first appeared back in march

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2012 2021 but i didn't hear about her

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actually one of the skeptical accounts

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that i follow retweeted her announcement

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of the press conference and was like is

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there anyone in the dc area who's going

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to cover this and i was like i'm in the

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dc area i could go that that sounds cool

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like at that point i didn't

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have any opinions on her and like i i

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went and read her first reddit post but

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hole i just thought i was in the area

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it's gonna be a nice august day um

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whether she's telling the truth or

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whether she's starting a cult or what

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whether this is a style like whatever is

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going on it's not going to be boring so

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like why not um so i went down there and

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she did end up posting her live stream

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eventually but at the time she was a

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little late getting that started so a

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lot of people were really eager to see

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what was going on and started following

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the thread i made after getting there so

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that was very exciting um and yeah yeah

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yeah yeah that's how i i had heard of uh

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i had heard her name and heard something

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tangentially about the story but i

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didn't really know uh

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anything i i hadn't delved into it

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whatsoever until after reading your post

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so that was my entryway into the

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phenomenon that has become anjali about

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the phenomenon

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then uh and then i you know i found her

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to be a very credible person

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uh and you know i

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let nathan have it now i mean i i find

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like i feel like you're you know you're

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holding a healthy bit of skepticism here

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as uh am i right

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go for it yeah all right yeah so um

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where to begin all right so i think uh

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what i'm interested in is uh

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where this story intersects with the

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ufo twitter verse uh you know broadly

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following along uh in ufo twitter since

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twitter based on your profile um

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and you know i'm curious kind of what

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what caused you to to kind of jump into

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that space uh you know if you don't mind

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me asking was was this kind of your

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first twitter account second twitter

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account i'm asking because

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i dedicated to

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ufo twitter so curious kind of what got

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you into the space and uh what kept you

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coming back to the ufo twitterverse

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yeah so it wasn't my first twitter

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account period but it was my first ufo

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twitter account um

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basically i started getting back into

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ufos uh

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late 2019 early 2020. like i was very

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interested in ufos and aliens when i was

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a kid and then just sort of

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got away from it as i got older and then

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i just finished up my studies i got a

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do for fun again and so uh i started

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rediscovering what my goals were and one

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novel and then i was like well what am i

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going to write my novel about all about

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aliens you used to like aliens so

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2019 and at the same time i started sort

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have any intention of engaging with

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anybody or tweeting because um like

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and the drama that ensues there so my

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people um i can turn scrolling through

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social media into something

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semi-productive and that's gonna be that

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unoriginal that's why my username is

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just like a cartoon character um from

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the brave little toaster plus the year

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of the roswell

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um so i started following people and

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on ufo twitter as you know there's a

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very big culture of following back so i

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started getting followers even though i

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was not posting anything

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and uh around the point that my ufo

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twitter account started having more

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followers than my real twitter account

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just became very fun i met really neat

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interesting and i've just sort of gotten

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in terms of folks that take that path

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and then they kind of take another step

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another step and all of a sudden they

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people that they kind of like hanging

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um you know for all of the kind of

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follows that you have in in ufo twitter

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um

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you know how would you describe

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that the spectrum that that you followed

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you try to follow a broad spectrum of

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folks in this space do you try to follow

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folks that kind of lean more toward the

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nuts and bolts side or more toward the

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experiencer side or you know other

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aspects you know what what kind of

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population do you do you keep

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i try to follow a diverse number of

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accounts i follow some people who are

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more nuts and bolts i follow people who

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are more on sort of the spiritual side

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um i follow people who just are sort of

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hanging out and seem like neat people i

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follow skeptics i follow basically

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everyone my only real criteria is like

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if the posts if if the things they tweet

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look interesting and if they don't seem

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like a massive jerk um

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then that's that's pretty much my only

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criteria for who i will follow

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lampe would i be more in the category of

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do you really want me to answer that

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probably not probably not let's let's

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yeah

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go ahead go ahead well no i mean i i'm

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just trying to figure out what is the

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area i think another way of phrasing

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nathan's question is is there something

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that's more fascinating aspect of this

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more so than the other and that may be

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what you're going to write about in your

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book or maybe

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well i would assume it would have to be

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what you're writing about in your book

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the aspect of it what aspect is most

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interesting

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um yeah so when i came in like i was

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pretty much exclusively focused on um

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the extraterrestrial hypothesis and

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aliens specifically alien abductions

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because that's that's what's in my book

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and i think i just aliens i think are

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neat and

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that that that's not terribly

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intellectual of me to say but that's

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that's it

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aliens are cool so i wanted to look up

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stuff related to aliens but i think that

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having been in the space for the past

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year has made me sort of more open to

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and interested in alternative hypotheses

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about the phenomenon and just sort of

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different aspects of this subject so

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yeah it's been an interesting experience

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so the the whole aspect of the ocean

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and the fact that uh there's you know at

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least some evidence

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that uh that maybe they're already here

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or were here

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before us and or are revealing

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themselves now due to things they see

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happening in the natural environment

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uh geopolitically perhaps with nukes um

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do you is that what changed your mind

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um

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i don't know if it's that specifically i

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think more what has changed my mind is

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sort of seeing people talk about like

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the theory that um sort of the

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phenomenon we're seeing now is the same

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as what has been behind like various

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weird stuff that we have seen throughout

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history and that just sort of the

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explanations we come up for it are

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different depending on our culture

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but um

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but i do find that the um

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the stuff of the uso stuff interesting

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um

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yeah i mean that blew my mind like i i

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did not

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have in my mind ever

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until

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i don't know like lou elizondo started

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talking about it oh wow these things are

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coming out of the water

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and then dave fravor recounted that

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uh one of the navy divers that was

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grabbing up a torpedo and trying to pull

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it up with a helicopter had seen

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something

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um

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so

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that really blew my mind because i had

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never thought i'd always thought in

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terms of extraterrestrial coming from

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other planets and now there's some

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evidence that that's not the case so we

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have to look at

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that there's both

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and

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about the fact that there's uh some

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beings that are quite

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uh

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looking to be friendly toward us looking

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to help us transcend and those four

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she was talking about that aren't

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friendly you remember hearing about that

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yeah i do remember that um

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kind of surprised that there isn't more

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talk about that actually seems like

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might be important if that's something

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that's going on um you think

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yeah yeah it's uh we i find that at

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least in the folks that i follow the

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focus generally is more on the positive

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aspects of it you know that there is

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more of the hopeful

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um you know kind of salvific quality

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that that ufos represent

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to people

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and yeah it may not be

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all that great

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if uh if we really look at every

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different aspect of it and i find that

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that voice tends to kind of get drowned

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out a little bit too there are folks who

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do bring it up

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uh but they seem to get uh outnumbered

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quite a bit from

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the uh the love and light crowd if you

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will well but if if we're objective

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about it even anjali who would count

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herself among that also said

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they told her there are ones that are

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not friendly so there's a person who is

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spreading as much love and light as

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possible that's coming from yoga teacher

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um

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you know is also saying that there are

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beings that she was told that are not

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friendly so if people don't want to buy

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that

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and they believe her but then they don't

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want to take they want to just like

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excise that sliver of it out i mean

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to be honest you know i i get you know

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you you you hate you know i don't want

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this podcast to be like a continuous

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refrain of luis elizondo and anjali

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although it probably will be but but i

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like

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when he oh look at that now that's class

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right there girlfriend man put the

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camera back no i'm just kidding doing it

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right

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over a stomach problem yeah cocktails

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yeah no this is my first uh live podcast

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recording so i need an excuse if i say

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something stupid there you go hey you

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know what i've been doing it for since

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2010 i've been saying things stupid on

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air and i'm still here

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um

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but yeah i i like that luis says all

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things you know you have to say this is

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not

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an existential threat but if you say it

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it can't be

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because they have the power to destroy

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us then i i'm sorry i would have to

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disagree with those people i'm a loving

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life person i do believe in what anjali

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said about transcension uh and being

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better humans to one another

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and finding a better way to communicate

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than what we currently use which by the

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way has devolved from this type of

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communication

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of to text there are people that don't

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even want to talk to you now they just

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want to text you if you try to call them

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they won't answer

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so

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seriously that's a that's a that's a

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devolution of communication not an

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expansion or broadening or transcending

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of of our of our communication as humans

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in my mind so

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if you but you have to leave open the

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possibility and by the way uh somebody

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who who espouses that opinion said it

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for for as much

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so yeah like i am i definitely think

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that asking like are the beings friendly

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or not is the wrong question because

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like what if they asked us are humans

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friendly or not like how would you even

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answer that and we're just one species

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so i i don't think it makes sense to

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think that if they're aliens all of them

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are going to be one thing or the other

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completely

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is is there a an abduction or a contact

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narrative from someone that resonates

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with you

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the most or is there a couple of those

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um well i've always found the aerial

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school incident absolutely fascinating

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just because of just the shared number

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of people who were there and who have

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maintained the story as they grew up and

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years later um i'm really excited for

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the um i think it's james fox is making

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a documentary about it and um the

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phenomena documentary was fantastic and

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i'm really excited about this one i

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think that a lot of people don't know

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about this incident because i certainly

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didn't know about it until i started

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getting into this subject more and more

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so i think that once it's mainstream

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it's going to get a lot of attention

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right yeah i think that um that aerial

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school

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uh piece from his movie the phenomenon

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that that segment is really what

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probably humanized the topic the most

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and and like for folks that were a

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little bit on the fence on it that one

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story

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maybe even more so than the nimitz is

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the one that really kind of grabs you

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and pulls you in because of how personal

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the

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that testimony is from those kids and

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how dynamic that was so i think that

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that's like a there are some of these

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sort of gateway cases right that uh

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really are very compelling and that draw

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you in and maybe draw you in for

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different reasons uh so nimitz is a

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great example ariel's a great example um

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and then we have the uh the experiencer

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cases the abduction cases and i know you

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did a thread on travis walton i'd love

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for you to talk about that a little bit

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and two i think i want you to touch on

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if you wouldn't mind like as a writer

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you know

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is a is your approach to twitter and

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some of these great threads that you've

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compiled is that a drive that you have

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because because of the kind of

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fragmentary nature of twitter itself to

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kind of bring this stuff together and

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and make it a little bit more coherent

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yeah that's definitely it because like

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because like i said

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news moves very quickly on twitter and i

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have definite i am someone who has to

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know what's going on like curiosity will

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drive me insane and so i absolutely hate

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when i see

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a sub tweet and i have to spend the next

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three hours like searching every keyword

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i can think of like asking my friends

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just like being the twitter fbi just so

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that i can find out what the gossip is

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so anytime that i am in a position where

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i see people asking about something and

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i know what's going on and it's

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something that's like

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newsworthy enough that i don't feel like

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a gossip brag making a threat about it

558
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:11,760
then i i'd want to do that i think that

559
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,240
it's it's fun for me and i hope that it

560
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,400
satisfies people's curiosity and saves

561
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,520
them time

562
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,679
um

563
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,600
absolutely i mean well your threads are

564
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,520
super helpful i mean and i find that for

565
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,520
everybody that spends people that that

566
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,880
spend the time

567
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:28,880
to compile all of this disparate

568
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,280
information into into a format that

569
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,840
people can digest as opposed to like you

570
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,159
said kind of going through the forest of

571
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,080
breadcrumbs that are out there and

572
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,520
trying to make sense of it all i mean

573
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,200
it's a it's a public service quite

574
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,360
frankly so you know thank you thank you

575
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,360
for doing it yeah it's it's also been

576
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,120
really nice to like have sort of found a

577
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,960
way that i can

578
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,720
add to ufo twitter and contribute

579
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:52,000
something because like i'm not a

580
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,840
researcher i'm not a scientist like i i

581
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,440
some of the stuff that people will talk

582
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,240
about like makes my brain melt like if

583
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,559
like you could ask me now like what the

584
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,039
hell is going on with ttsa and i was

585
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,880
like i don't know there's lou and

586
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:08,960
there's tom delong and like the

587
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,120
government's involved somehow uh but but

588
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,320
but when there are things that i can

589
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,000
write something about that might help

590
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,559
then it makes me feel like i am i am

591
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,080
here for a reason

592
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,640
absolutely yeah like me countering mick

593
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,480
west has turned into like a cottage

594
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,640
industry no i'm just kidding

595
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:30,159
i forgot how many rounds we were on with

596
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:33,919
that like round five six you know oh man

597
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,559
i've got my i've got so much i just have

598
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,679
to have

599
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,760
the proper platform and it's like i

600
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,919
would invite him on here but i think it

601
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,919
would be rude to invite him on here and

602
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:46,240
then insult him and

603
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,360
that's just

604
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,520
but and it would he would people would

605
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,760
take it as an insult but i want to just

606
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,600
say that you know that term when someone

607
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:56,159
says with all due respect and then they

608
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,280
insult you

609
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,400
but in the truest sense of the word

610
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,840
with all

611
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,480
due respect to you

612
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:06,559
this is what i think and

613
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,760
depending upon how you respect others is

614
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,640
the way that i'm going to respect you

615
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,840
so if

616
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,000
mick is talking about

617
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,440
fighter pilots don't know what they're

618
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,520
doing don't know what they're looking at

619
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,360
um i don't think this person flew the

620
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,200
airplane correctly i don't think they

621
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,280
operate their sensor correctly

622
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,159
and i know from aviation background what

623
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,840
it takes to do that and i know i'm not

624
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,159
even on the level of these guys

625
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,039
and then some guy who made video games

626
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,280
is doing that then i think he's not

627
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,400
giving them the respect they're due

628
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,600
so if i say mick with all due respect i

629
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,799
mean that

630
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,880
in that help me phrase this nathan i

631
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:48,080
mean that in

632
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,360
the most

633
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,919
honest sense of of that phrase very

634
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,640
simple directly very yeah the sincerest

635
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,120
i do mean that if you're disrespecting

636
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,640
them i'm good and i know what your

637
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,400
credentials are i'm going to call those

638
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,640
into question but i'll i'll save the

639
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,960
mick western for later

640
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:08,549
like

641
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,720
that mick west tends to come across

642
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,120
better when he's either quoted in a long

643
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,200
form article or when he appears on

644
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,840
podcasts like i really do think that

645
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,520
when you are on twitter and when you

646
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,520
were like saying the first thing that

647
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,919
comes to mind in less than 240

648
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,080
characters like you are not your best

649
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,240
self and you are probably actually your

650
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,480
worst self so

651
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,679
okay but

652
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,679
when you when you say that you're

653
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:37,520
viewing that through the prism of

654
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,360
somebody who doesn't know aviation

655
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,080
so if he says something and he's really

656
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,240
smart like if you're going to say who's

657
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,880
smarter mick west or dj mick west is

658
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,640
going to be up here and i'm going to be

659
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,320
down here but

660
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,440
with 4 000 hours of military flying

661
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:57,760
then dj is going to be up here and mick

662
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,559
west is going to be down here okay when

663
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,960
when we're talking about evaluating well

664
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,279
first of all i know enough like if you

665
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,400
said to me

666
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,200
dj what did you think about what chad

667
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:11,200
underwood or dave fraver or alex

668
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,720
dietrich did i'm gonna say i don't know

669
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,480
because i i wasn't trained in their

670
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,400
mission set i didn't go through the

671
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,880
thousands hours of tactics ground

672
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,799
training flight training past check

673
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,720
rides become an instructor becoming an

674
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,880
evaluator go through top gun all the

675
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,960
things that they did you have no idea

676
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:31,039
what it takes to do that right

677
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,000
so

678
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:33,440
but i do

679
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:34,480
and i

680
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,520
and so when somebody like mick west

681
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,919
the lay person goes wow he's

682
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,559
you know he sounds pretty reasonable yes

683
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,320
because you don't know what it took to

684
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,559
do what they did

685
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,559
but they know that he's a buffoon and

686
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,039
that's why they don't come on air with

687
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,720
them you know dietrich went on and was

688
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,400
very charitable and very friendly with

689
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,200
him and chris lato was too dave fravor

690
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,120
won't be

691
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,799
the guy who does the fighter pilot

692
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,559
podcast on apple

693
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,120
vincent jello aiello i guarantee he's

694
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,200
not going to be and i wouldn't be

695
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,279
because i'm going to say you are not

696
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,200
qualified to critique that person's

697
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:12,880
flying

698
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,919
none no no qualifications so that's the

699
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,919
respect that you're due for saying that

700
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,760
and there are people out there like

701
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,600
lampe who goes oh well you know gee

702
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,440
sounds like he's pretty thoughtful and

703
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,080
reasonable yes but meanwhile he put out

704
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,799
a tweet today with his living room sofa

705
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,840
sings i did like that one yeah okay so

706
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,760
you're questioning them again

707
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,240
when they told you how they identified a

708
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,480
white object against a dark blue sea

709
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,559
from 20 000 feet that's what they're

710
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,559
trained to do it's not what i was

711
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,080
trained to do

712
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,840
right i was trained in tactical

713
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,400
low-level flying that's not what fighter

714
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,080
pilots are trained in doing they're not

715
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,360
comfortable at 250 feet like i am flying

716
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,080
for an hour and a half in the mountains

717
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,720
and i'm not comfortable diving it you

718
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,799
know diving down at the ocean at an

719
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,960
object like fraver did

720
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,760
right

721
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,400
it's it's a very specific skill

722
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,159
you wouldn't catch okay to give you an

723
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,320
example you hear what mick said i

724
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,600
couldn't get

725
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,400
a pilot who i flew with to say what he

726
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,360
said you know what that pilot would say

727
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,120
those guys are the experts in that man

728
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:20,559
that's not my

729
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,880
i mean i could i could get you a high

730
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,960
time pilot that went to air force

731
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,120
weapons school that would say that if we

732
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,640
asked them to critique those guys they

733
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,480
would look at it they'd listen to it

734
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,320
they'd read it they'd listen to the

735
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,799
interview and they'd say i

736
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,120
they saw what they saw i can't

737
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,279
but mick west is okay to

738
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,799
say oh yeah those guys they don't

739
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,200
they make mistakes you know right well

740
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,720
and it's interesting i think that in the

741
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,039
absence of of good information which you

742
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:52,799
know you could argue is is a good

743
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,760
portion of ufo twitter uh there's

744
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,720
there's a

745
00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,600
a vacuum of information of quality data

746
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,640
that allows for tremendous amounts of

747
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,000
speculation and what i think uh you know

748
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,919
i know you have your specific beefs my

749
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,240
specific beefs with him are

750
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,480
the way that he takes that very little

751
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,840
amount of information and then

752
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:15,760
extrapolates out from that

753
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,880
very large speculative conclusions

754
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,399
you know so i i have issues with

755
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,600
conclusions off of of a very little data

756
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,360
but i have that same beef with a lot of

757
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,600
folks in ufo twitter that will take a

758
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,440
tiny little thing and say well i mean it

759
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,200
must be x y z

760
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,640
uh i think that that that's a little

761
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,760
disingenuous um to to to make that leap

762
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:37,279
but uh lampy i mean what do you think

763
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,480
about that

764
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,080
i think i'm pretty much with you on this

765
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,520
like i i agree that midwest seems to

766
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,760
sort of be in the habit of thinking up

767
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,320
an alternate explanation and sort of

768
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:50,880
putting it forth even if it's

769
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,840
not based on very much because he just

770
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:55,760
sees it as inherently

771
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:58,480
a better explanation than

772
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,679
aliens

773
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,559
but i think that

774
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,120
but i also like don't think that he's

775
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,000
like the enemy or a terrible person

776
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,159
because of this because like i think

777
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,320
people judge him more harshly because

778
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,480
he's on the skeptical side when like you

779
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,360
said a lot of people speculate on ufo

780
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,000
twitter and on when it comes to twitter

781
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,399
we all have bad takes sometimes like

782
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:24,320
i've had bad takes a lot of my friends

783
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,080
have like we all tweet stuff that isn't

784
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,840
super well thought out and we're all

785
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:31,679
wrong about things but that doesn't

786
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,200
necessarily mean that you're not an

787
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,120
important part of the community that's

788
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,440
right and we're not on cnn doing it

789
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,799
though right

790
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:41,679
yeah

791
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,960
record i want to i want to get this

792
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:47,760
actually on air i don't dislike mick

793
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,120
west i don't not respect him i'm happy

794
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,200
he's part of the community

795
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,640
i don't

796
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,559
there are two things i think first of

797
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,840
all

798
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,320
uh so i'm happy that he does debunk

799
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:02,880
things because people will put out a ufo

800
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,399
video that he is able to then find

801
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,360
is fake and that is a huge service to us

802
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,200
he's also apparently i don't really

803
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,799
follow his work but he's done that with

804
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,720
q anon and other

805
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,039
anti-vaxx and other conspiracy theories

806
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,919
so i really i really thank mick west

807
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,240
namaste for doing stuff like that i

808
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,240
really appreciate that and i think it's

809
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,720
of service to the community

810
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,640
what i have a problem with is i think if

811
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,399
you start at the beginning

812
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,559
there's an intellectual dishonesty in

813
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,960
the way that he approaches it because he

814
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,559
comes out and says

815
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,200
on camera hey i just want to learn i

816
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,200
just want the data

817
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,840
but he approaches the subject from

818
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,799
okay

819
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:47,039
everybody thinks it's this

820
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,760
and so i'm gonna try to prove that it's

821
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,320
not that so that's not intellectually

822
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,559
that's not me trying to learn if you

823
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,960
have a luis elizondo on your show and i

824
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,360
actually have talking points about this

825
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,200
where he asked luis

826
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,279
you know with the gimbal you know i

827
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,679
think it's this glass the glad glad he's

828
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,679
saying glad over and over he's saying we

829
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:09,600
had electro you know we bring in

830
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,320
electrical optical engineers we brought

831
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,559
in aerospace engineers we brought in

832
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:17,120
pilots we reviewed stuff and by the way

833
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,480
mick

834
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,360
we have more than what you've seen

835
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,039
we have other sensor data and other

836
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:25,519
things and we don't agree with your

837
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,720
hypothesis to which he says yes yes yes

838
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:30,840
okay so let's talk about the chilean air

839
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,679
force so that right there i'm not i'm

840
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,200
not kidding he digresses to her

841
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,519
relevancies so he's intellectually

842
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,200
dishonest from the way he approaches it

843
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,200
which he says i'm trying to learn no

844
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:42,960
you're not trying to learn you are

845
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:45,600
trying to find one aspect of this which

846
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,399
is what

847
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,240
uh lampy was alluding to

848
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,320
that and actually nathan you also

849
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,039
alluded to that one string we want to

850
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,200
talk about the angle and the range

851
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,840
because if they didn't get the range

852
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,240
right or they didn't get the size of it

853
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,440
right then maybe we can dismiss the

854
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,320
princeton radar footage the e2 radar

855
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,279
footage the testimony from all of them

856
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,880
plus the pilots

857
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,799
and then yeah everything's in question

858
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:14,480
at this point so

859
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:15,440
that

860
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,159
the tic tac

861
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,399
and lou came and said yes we looked at

862
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,960
this we didn't use single source on this

863
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,360
there's other data that you haven't seen

864
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,880
that we did see

865
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,360
he still won't say now somebody who's

866
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,120
interested in learning say oh wow that's

867
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,440
really interesting lou i should rethink

868
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,360
this you know i mean if you've seen

869
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,799
things that i haven't seen and you're

870
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,200
privy to information i'm not

871
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,360
and the pilot and it it jives with the

872
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,279
pilots testify i might have to change

873
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,159
he's not ever going to say that

874
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,360
so to me he's starting from a dishonest

875
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,279
place because he's not trying to learn

876
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,039
he's trying to say how can i prove it's

877
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,360
not would all these people think it is

878
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,559
so i can be the smart one and people who

879
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,279
are late lay people actually you know

880
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,200
will say hey he seems pretty reasonable

881
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,480
you thought that

882
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:09,120
but it's it's not when you call into

883
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,880
question people that we paid to do this

884
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,880
we paid you paid

885
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,080
to teach alex dietrich how to do this

886
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,559
and i'm telling you how not easy it is

887
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,559
and i know i know nick has flown a

888
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,760
cessna i've also licensed to fly cessna

889
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,120
let me tell you

890
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,200
how much more difficult it is to fly one

891
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,080
of these aircraft with g's with a g-suit

892
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,960
when you have someone that straps you in

893
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:36,799
and pulls on those straps like the damn

894
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,679
space shuttle and then and then you have

895
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,600
that sensor camera on your head you know

896
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,679
they have that helmet mounted queuing

897
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,840
system all that kind of stuff it's just

898
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,559
it's

899
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,000
he doesn't understand what he's looking

900
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,919
at and he doesn't know that he doesn't

901
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:52,080
understand it but people who are lay

902
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,039
folks

903
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,039
think that he knows because he went and

904
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,519
read a manual about the camera

905
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,320
so

906
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:01,039
he's trying to start from the end i'm

907
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,480
gonna be in analyze first

908
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,640
but i haven't gone through the hard part

909
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,800
the hard part is getting through flight

910
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:10,800
school and even getting selected to fly

911
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,000
a fighter then after you get to fly

912
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,079
in order to critique others you have to

913
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,639
become an instructor and and your your

914
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,560
records go up in front of a board and

915
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,320
they nominate you as an instructor once

916
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,079
you're an instructor now i could

917
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:26,960
critique lampy's flying before that she

918
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,599
flies i fly i don't tell her how to do

919
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,440
her business because i'm not an

920
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,200
instructor if she gets to be an

921
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,280
instructor before me hey dj i didn't

922
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,599
like what you did in today's exercise

923
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,000
tell me why and you sit down debrief me

924
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:41,839
then there's flight examiner and a

925
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,800
flight examiner will decide if you fly

926
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,359
which means on any day lampy can come

927
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,800
and pat me on the shoulder and squad and

928
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,679
go

929
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:52,079
dj guess what we're doing a no notice

930
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:53,679
check ride today

931
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,879
so um we're going to give you a briefing

932
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,920
going to look at these are the

933
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:59,119
parameters that's what i'm going to be

934
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,640
looking at good luck

935
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,079
so now i know that she's going to be

936
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,760
looking over my shoulder for the entire

937
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:06,000
flight and writing down anything she

938
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,200
sees there's

939
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,200
i can't tell you guys how much pressure

940
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:10,960
there is when that happens

941
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,760
it's an enormous amount of pressure just

942
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,440
okay and that's what a flight examiner

943
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,400
does so now

944
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,960
now if i don't do well you could say dj

945
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,320
you're going to have to sit down for a

946
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,000
while we're going to do some training

947
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,680
and we'll try to get you back up but for

948
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,280
now you're grounded

949
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,640
that's happened

950
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,200
okay oh yeah right okay

951
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,640
and i think what you're highlighting and

952
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,400
i mean every time that you go down this

953
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,480
path like i'm just like oh my gosh like

954
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,880
it's there's so much more to

955
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,880
the training that people get than i

956
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,880
think most realize

957
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,440
and when you describe it like this and

958
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,280
contextualize it for folks i think it

959
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:46,160
adds

960
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,960
uh

961
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,440
many layers of depth to these

962
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,160
testimonies that come from these pilots

963
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:54,480
you know it it for me at least for me it

964
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,760
does and it increases my level of trust

965
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,079
in those testimonies and i think like

966
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,440
lambie what i'd like for you to talk

967
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,160
about uh you know in in your observation

968
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,560
of this of the landscape really is that

969
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,599
this issue of trust right so you know

970
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,040
because we're hitting on it we're kind

971
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,960
of dancing around it but that it really

972
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,800
is a big part of

973
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,960
what we choose to

974
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:19,920
like or not like follow or not follow

975
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,640
is the credibility of the story the

976
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,280
witness whatever it is so you walk us

977
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,960
through a little bit in your journey

978
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,320
anyway and when you're in twitter and

979
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,680
kind of navigating things and looking at

980
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,359
these kinds of stories you know what

981
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,839
increases your level of trust

982
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,160
in a story and what kind of you know uh

983
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,160
is a red flag for you to like walk away

984
00:36:42,270 --> 00:36:40,480
from from that particular account

985
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,280
when she sees me post i'm just kidding

986
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,040
[Laughter]

987
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,599
uh yeah so when i

988
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,000
when i look at stories on ufo twitter i

989
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,800
think that first of all for a long time

990
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,520
i wasn't even looking at it that way

991
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,200
because like i said i originally came to

992
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,839
this looking for sort of inspiration for

993
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,079
a novel i was writing and so like

994
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,880
from at that point i didn't really care

995
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,800
if stories were true i just was looking

996
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,599
for things that were interesting but um

997
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,079
now that i'm looking at it more

998
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,520
from a more discerning point of view i

999
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:15,839
think that i tend to look at the source

1000
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,640
of the link and if it's a site that i

1001
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,720
recognize um either it's a mainstream

1002
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,400
outlet or it's

1003
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,440
run by someone who has

1004
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,839
been recognized by the community then

1005
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,599
it's something i'm more likely to trust

1006
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,920
than if it's by some site i've never

1007
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,359
heard of that

1008
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,079
crashes 50 bazillion times when i try to

1009
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,839
open it on my phone

1010
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:38,960
um

1011
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,599
have

1012
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,920
interacted with for almost a year now

1013
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,320
that i just trust more on a personal

1014
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,400
level which isn't necessarily

1015
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,720
like something that i would swear to in

1016
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,040
court as a reason to trust someone but

1017
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,119
it does but i think that building

1018
00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,920
relationships with people does like make

1019
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,960
them make you trust them more um

1020
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,560
and uh

1021
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,200
i i do tend to look at the details and

1022
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:09,839
of stories and see if they add up to me

1023
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,040
based on what i know like it isn't super

1024
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:14,960
often that i have expertise that is

1025
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:17,839
relevant in this field but um it

1026
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,520
occasionally happens um yeah and

1027
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,920
and uh

1028
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,200
yeah it's and then i also look at sort

1029
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:30,160
of whether this story has been told

1030
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,920
other times and compare notes on

1031
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,240
whether it's consistent and how

1032
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,400
which parts of it are consistent because

1033
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,320
you expect there to be some minor

1034
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,480
inconsistencies in stories that are told

1035
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,440
repeatedly over the course of years like

1036
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,359
people's memories are imperfect like

1037
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,640
very minor details can be remembered

1038
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,560
differently on

1039
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,079
different retellings because they say

1040
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,440
that when you

1041
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,280
when you recall a memory you aren't

1042
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,680
actually recalling the memory of the

1043
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:01,680
event you're recoloring the memory of

1044
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,920
the last time you remembered it so wow

1045
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,560
yeah but there are some but if there are

1046
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:11,760
major inconsistencies on like events

1047
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,720
that are key to the narrative or

1048
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,960
or if the narrative seems to change in a

1049
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:18,000
way

1050
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,280
that

1051
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,079
benefits the teller or

1052
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,040
seems to make their role bigger than it

1053
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,160
was in the original tellings that can be

1054
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,520
to me a sign that maybe the truth is

1055
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:33,040
being stretched

1056
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,240
um

1057
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,640
and then of course like i said i try to

1058
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,040
follow more skeptical minded people so i

1059
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,520
can see alternate views on the events

1060
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,560
like i

1061
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,839
don't

1062
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,640
assume that just because someone is

1063
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,280
posting a debunking means that they're

1064
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,800
automatically right because like you

1065
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,640
said like people

1066
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,640
who are on the skeptical side are not

1067
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:57,680
immune from cognitive biases nobody is

1068
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,119
um but i do think that seeing that view

1069
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,800
can help you

1070
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,319
look at it from a different perspective

1071
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,920
when you're trying to make your own

1072
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,359
decisions

1073
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,880
yeah you know i went through this with

1074
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,400
green street a little bit my twitter

1075
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,640
friend stephen how are you i'm sure your

1076
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,240
hair looks great today

1077
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,359
but but in analyzing the whole tucson

1078
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,000
helicopter thing which fascinated ufo

1079
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,319
twitter for about two weeks or so

1080
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,359
and i was trying to and i was going back

1081
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,359
and forth with the guy on there and i'm

1082
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,680
not sure what it is i think it's still

1083
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,520
in question but just to give you an

1084
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,839
example if stephen green street

1085
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,000
journalist for new york post right the

1086
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,359
basement office

1087
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,960
if he were to hand me a piece of

1088
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,240
literature

1089
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,160
and said dj read this and i read it and

1090
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,599
i say

1091
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,119
okay that's pretty ordinary i mean i

1092
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:46,800
think anybody could have written that

1093
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:48,079
and

1094
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,200
dj

1095
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,839
this is a phenomenal piece of writing

1096
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:53,040
like you don't know what you're looking

1097
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,240
at man

1098
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,680
and i'd be like okay well you know maybe

1099
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,440
i don't i mean i don't really have any

1100
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,680
courses in journalism i have basic

1101
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:01,359
college writing

1102
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,160
uh

1103
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,240
you know at my apex so yeah maybe i

1104
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,280
don't so by contrast we can listen to a

1105
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,760
narrative of drones and helicopters

1106
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,520
interacting in tucson

1107
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,760
and i say that's stephen

1108
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,520
that's a he could say oh well that's

1109
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,119
pretty ordinary what it did and i go

1110
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,440
dude do you understand like how

1111
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,599
difficult it is to perform those

1112
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,599
maneuvers that that thing did

1113
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,359
you don't know what you're looking at

1114
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,440
so you see

1115
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,160
if it comes to writing steven's gonna

1116
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,520
be like dude

1117
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,280
this is a this is a brilliant piece of

1118
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,760
writing right or if it were luis jimenez

1119
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,920
this is a a wonderful screenplay and you

1120
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,359
think it's ordinary

1121
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,280
well i'm going to say the same thing

1122
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,800
when i hear about a drone that's sitting

1123
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,839
at 10 000 some a some kind of craft that

1124
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,599
we don't know it is sitting at 10 000

1125
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,920
feet and they said it zoomed straight up

1126
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,400
to 13 000 feet i know what it takes to

1127
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,839
do that

1128
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,800
exactly

1129
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,400
and the fact that they can't see it on

1130
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,079
an ir camera

1131
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,760
really freaks me out and they said it

1132
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,800
was 100 feet off the wingtip so

1133
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,160
what you're training and what your

1134
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,720
expertise is some of my expertise

1135
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,240
happens to fall

1136
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,920
in some of these

1137
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,200
but if you start talking about something

1138
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,440
like what happened with anjali or travis

1139
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,760
walton i have no ex my expertise is

1140
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,599
nothing i'm none it's the same as

1141
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,520
anybody else but if we're talking

1142
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:21,920
something aviation specific

1143
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,240
now i can i i can raise my voice

1144
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,319
but i mean there are many many aspects

1145
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,720
of ufology in fact when i see a ufo

1146
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,280
video i know nothing i would ask mick

1147
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,079
west is this real because i to me this

1148
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,640
looks like a real ufo video and he could

1149
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:40,640
look at and go dude that's obviously

1150
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:43,599
faked look you can see here

1151
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,200
right yeah we all have an area you know

1152
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,400
yeah i don't spend a lot of time

1153
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,119
watching ufo videos for that reason like

1154
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,079
i have no idea if this is real or not i

1155
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,319
don't know anything about aviation or

1156
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,839
about cgi or like anything that would

1157
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,599
allow me to determine if this is real

1158
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,240
based on looking at the video so

1159
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:05,680
right

1160
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,280
different areas of expertise and

1161
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,440
sometimes some in some cases none of us

1162
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,359
haven't an expertise in what we're

1163
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,440
talking about at all then at that point

1164
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,079
it's just thoughtful analysis

1165
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,599
right like totally

1166
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:21,200
well

1167
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,000
thanks

1168
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,920
love you back bro so yeah i mean but i

1169
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,599
think like what we're touching on is

1170
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,720
just uh it's a symptom of a larger issue

1171
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,079
that we're having

1172
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,319
you know globally right and that and and

1173
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:34,079
that that's this issue of trust of

1174
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,359
credibility

1175
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,560
of um you know sort of the lack of of

1176
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,319
faith in institutions that we may have

1177
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,920
had in the past that

1178
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,920
all of these things that have been uh

1179
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,720
sort of normal the reliance on expertise

1180
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,960
you know the the deference to expertise

1181
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,960
all these things are are changing

1182
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,200
they're they're eroding in a way maybe

1183
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,960
erosion's not quite the right the right

1184
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,040
word to use but the

1185
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,960
the plates are shifting in other words

1186
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,200
the the way that it has worked is not

1187
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,240
working any longer you know yeah exactly

1188
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,880
it's a tectonic chain yeah

1189
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,480
it's

1190
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,640
i gotta pay this guy like there's no way

1191
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,000
he could be doing this for free

1192
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,839
something smart

1193
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,599
so we have this new landscape right we

1194
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,920
have this new landscape that is forming

1195
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,280
and we're all a part of it you know

1196
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:21,839
we're all part of that conversation and

1197
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,800
it's a new way for us to in a way almost

1198
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,520
crowdsource uh credibility or or

1199
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,599
trustworthiness or whatnot and i think

1200
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,359
about this problem in the context of a

1201
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,200
louis elizondo

1202
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,079
or the government in general so if if

1203
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,000
the government if if we take the

1204
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,920
position and i think most in ufology

1205
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,240
would that the government knows more

1206
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,480
about this topic than than the average

1207
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,359
person does than most of us do they have

1208
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,839
more information more data what have you

1209
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:52,400
yet the public is at a place in history

1210
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,920
where the faith in that institution is

1211
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,839
way lower than it's ever been

1212
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,079
so how do you how do you balance this

1213
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,079
out and i think about what lou's doing

1214
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:05,440
on his like the lou road show

1215
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,319
you know

1216
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,680
that's what he's basically he's always

1217
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,000
on and that guy is working so hard he's

1218
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,720
on all the shows and he's just getting

1219
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,200
the word out and if you think about what

1220
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,319
you would need to begin restoring

1221
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,800
credibility in the narrative you're

1222
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,280
gonna have to you know put in the work

1223
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,560
you're gonna have the boots are gonna

1224
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,760
have to hit the ground and do the

1225
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,560
walking and walk a long time and hold a

1226
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,720
lot of hands have a lot of conversations

1227
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:32,800
to where you get to the place where the

1228
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,319
community and those that are behind the

1229
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,920
community because we're for every person

1230
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,400
you see on ufo twitter who's involved or

1231
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,319
lurking as you said lampy you know like

1232
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,760
and i think all of us relate late to

1233
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,280
that there's a whole host of people

1234
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,200
behind that person that aren't aware of

1235
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,280
it or only tangentially aware of it

1236
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,520
maybe never never interested at all but

1237
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,680
that they're in they intersect the orbit

1238
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,079
of that person who's engaged with ufo

1239
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:58,839
twitter so if lou and his

1240
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,839
outreach and others like chris likely

1241
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,400
like chris mellon if what they're doing

1242
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,560
is restoring credibility in the

1243
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,720
institution of the government of the

1244
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,480
secret keepers

1245
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:12,319
by all of this work that they're doing

1246
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:13,599
and if we

1247
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,119
extend to them our charity and our trust

1248
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,680
then when the secrets begin

1249
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:21,839
getting become revealed or are more

1250
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,400
revealed then then we have we are all in

1251
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,040
a position at that point to amplify that

1252
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,520
truth and say hey i know this may sound

1253
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,920
weird but we've walked miles with this

1254
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,800
guy and we trust him now

1255
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:37,359
and so we you know you can trust us

1256
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,960
because you know us and we trust him

1257
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,880
he's done an enormous amount of work too

1258
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,040
to bring his knowledge up to all these

1259
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:46,960
he was a biochem major who went into

1260
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:49,839
intel and man he is really his knowledge

1261
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,720
of aviation is sharp man oh tremendous i

1262
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,119
mean the guy is clearly a sharp guy

1263
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,240
um and and i guess so lampy like you

1264
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,000
know as we talk about that

1265
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,520
you know one thing that i noticed this

1266
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,680
happens how it often happens in the lull

1267
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,839
periods between you know the news cycles

1268
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,760
the breaking sort of things that happen

1269
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,200
on ufo twitter

1270
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,359
uh you know it's like the community

1271
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,200
councils tend to start turning inward

1272
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:15,040
and there's like a circular firing squad

1273
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:16,400
that begins to happen

1274
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,200
um

1275
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:19,359
you know that we have this this pent-up

1276
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,800
need for something when that need isn't

1277
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,559
satisfied we take it out on each other

1278
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,559
right families do this too

1279
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:26,720
yeah like i i don't i'm sure you

1280
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,480
remember um ufo twitter in june like in

1281
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,359
the two or three weeks leading up to the

1282
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,079
uaptf report being released it was it

1283
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,079
was a mess like people were like like

1284
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,079
like the claws were out

1285
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,480
there was so much drama

1286
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,720
community petulance

1287
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:48,480
so yeah i definitely think that when

1288
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,839
people are restless then there tends to

1289
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:53,280
be more

1290
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:54,079
of

1291
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,160
more drama on ufo twitter um and i

1292
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,119
and i think that yeah we are in a time

1293
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,920
where it is difficult to know who to

1294
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,440
trust like i think trust in the

1295
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,680
government is low i think trust in a lot

1296
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,680
of mainstream media outlets has been low

1297
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,839
for a while and like even trusting each

1298
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,160
other is low because this is a topic

1299
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,359
where a lot of us um are anonymous or

1300
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,079
pseudonymous because we because it's

1301
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,640
still somewhat stigmatized and we don't

1302
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,040
necessarily want our boss to google us

1303
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:27,599
and find us talking about ufos but at

1304
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:30,720
the same time like we know that there

1305
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,599
are

1306
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:33,839
bots and trolls and people on twitter

1307
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,400
who are there specifically to

1308
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:39,200
divide communities and cause

1309
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:40,400
problems

1310
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,920
for nefarious ends and so it

1311
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,839
it's really hard to

1312
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,599
establish the trust needed to move

1313
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,760
forward on a subject like this and

1314
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,839
that's why i think it's so important to

1315
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,880
sort of

1316
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:55,280
build a lasting community here and um

1317
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,400
yes

1318
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,680
and like with the

1319
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,760
elizondo like i've noticed

1320
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:02,880
that he appears on like the 60-minute

1321
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,839
special but he'll also go on podcasts

1322
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,079
that have a couple thousand subscribers

1323
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,280
and um

1324
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,359
so i think that

1325
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,480
people who are trying to make this topic

1326
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:16,319
mainstream are conscious of the fact

1327
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,680
that they need to not only rely on their

1328
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,760
status and expertise but build

1329
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,640
relationships with people and make it

1330
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,200
known that they are someone who can be

1331
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,800
relied on on a personal level absolutely

1332
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,119
and i was going to ask you if to if you

1333
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,680
were to give your state of ufology in

1334
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,960
terms of

1335
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,079
i think

1336
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:41,040
the government knows this has that

1337
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,559
um like a lot of people in terms of

1338
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,960
programs so do you think they have craft

1339
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:49,359
don't have craft have

1340
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,960
had beings have never had beings um no

1341
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,800
more than what the uf

1342
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,599
uaptf knows doesn't know more where are

1343
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,040
you let's go i'd like to go around the

1344
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,040
horn go you and then nathan then and

1345
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,599
then i'll go what do you think

1346
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,160
is the status of where we're at now in

1347
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:09,040
terms of their grasp on this topic

1348
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,079
um

1349
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:11,599
like

1350
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:14,800
if going purely by gut feeling not based

1351
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:19,839
on anything reliable i would guess that

1352
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:23,839
they know more than we do but not by

1353
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:27,200
much i would not assume that they have

1354
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:31,359
bodies or craft i think that

1355
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:32,079
i

1356
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:37,599
government knows enough

1357
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,640
that it would be embarrassing to admit

1358
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,720
they didn't they don't know more than

1359
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,079
they do

1360
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,720
and i also think that there's a good

1361
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,400
chance that

1362
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:50,960
there is knowledge sort of scattered in

1363
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,000
bits and pieces among various agencies

1364
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:55,920
like um different branches that the

1365
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,800
military might have some information um

1366
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,200
the task force might have some nasa

1367
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,960
might have some and

1368
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,280
just but

1369
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,200
but it hasn't gotten to a point where

1370
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,599
they've been able to sort of compile

1371
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,960
everything that's known especially

1372
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,880
because since

1373
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:14,640
there are so many unknowns with this

1374
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:18,319
topic you might have information that

1375
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,520
would

1376
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,520
help put the puzzle together but not

1377
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:22,880
even know

1378
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,880
that it's has anything to do with uaps

1379
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:28,640
interesting

1380
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,599
yeah

1381
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,040
well right i mean the vatican comes to

1382
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:32,800
mind you know whatever they may have in

1383
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,920
their treasure trove of information uh

1384
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,480
through history right uh stories that

1385
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,640
may have seemed um

1386
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,520
like traditional miracles may in fact be

1387
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:46,000
uh you know some sort of

1388
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,359
there we go

1389
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,200
some sort of manifestation of of

1390
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,800
whatever this is but i i think you're

1391
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,920
spot on i think that um in lou's recent

1392
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,119
interview

1393
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:58,800
uh i forget

1394
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,839
who it was with uh andy i don't yeah

1395
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:03,599
that's right it was with andy

1396
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,480
you know that confirmed for me

1397
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,040
that we don't we don't know as much as

1398
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,720
we as we hope that they know he doesn't

1399
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,760
that the government does not know as

1400
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,440
much as we hope that they know i think

1401
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:15,599
that they um they do know a good bit i

1402
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,839
think that they have um you know like

1403
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,000
you said compartmentalized information

1404
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,520
um but

1405
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:24,240
therein lies the the challenge and that

1406
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,920
is like to start kind of compiling it

1407
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,079
putting it out there and then looking it

1408
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,760
out looking at all the pieces that are

1409
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,119
on the table and saying well we have all

1410
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,760
these pieces uh we don't have the box we

1411
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,680
don't know what it looks like but we've

1412
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,920
collected all this stuff so okay like i

1413
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,280
guess we all need to try to put it

1414
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,200
together like and that you know think

1415
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:46,079
about how that how challenging that

1416
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,119
would be

1417
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,680
to the world that has in in the 20th

1418
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,160
century the modern world has grown

1419
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,839
accustomed to

1420
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,640
state power having uh sort of answers

1421
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,559
you know that they have the resources

1422
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,400
they have the expertise

1423
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,599
they know more than average person does

1424
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,160
about most things so to put all of this

1425
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,680
out there on the table and say you know

1426
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,680
what we really don't know

1427
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,480
and we now need everyone in in the world

1428
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,559
to sort of look at this with us and and

1429
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,200
can put it together i think that is i

1430
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,960
mean i can't imagine how they would

1431
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,720
start that task that sounds really

1432
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,200
challenging unless and this is where i

1433
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,359
i'm i think i'm the most curious about

1434
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:27,119
is

1435
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,800
non-human intelligence happens to be

1436
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:38,800
what role do they play

1437
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,119
in us solving this puzzle are they going

1438
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,440
to be a proactive role in helping us

1439
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,520
answer these questions or are they going

1440
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,359
to just sort of passively sit back and

1441
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,520
see if we can put it together on our own

1442
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:51,520
or or do we need to reach a certain

1443
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,319
critical mass of interest uh to where

1444
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:56,880
then this intelligence says okay now

1445
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,400
that they've that 60 of the world is

1446
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,240
you know interested in this and is open

1447
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:05,040
to this concept this is an okay time for

1448
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,480
us to you know be more actively involved

1449
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,800
in the truth and revealing whatever it

1450
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,040
may be i think that this is the journey

1451
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,359
that we're now on that we we've made we

1452
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,040
started making the these steps the

1453
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,200
public is now a part of the the of this

1454
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,800
journey in a way that has never been

1455
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,839
before

1456
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,359
and now it's for me it's like what is

1457
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,960
the timeline you know how long do we

1458
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,160
have to walk

1459
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,200
uh together and bring other people along

1460
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,960
with us it's sort of like forrest gump

1461
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,559
when he takes the run across the country

1462
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,920
and you know people start joining him on

1463
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,920
the run you know how many people do we

1464
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,480
need to get on that run before it starts

1465
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,640
hitting the news and it's a real thing

1466
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,640
it's and it's a movement right so i

1467
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,240
really don't think we're quite at that

1468
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:45,920
point yet i think we're still at a sort

1469
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,880
of niche you know fringe interest

1470
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,720
although you know interestingly every

1471
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,400
time that the mainstream media picks

1472
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:55,040
this up they get a ton of eyeballs on

1473
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,559
that and the new york times will tell

1474
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,160
you like one of their most

1475
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:01,040
read articles is still that 2017 article

1476
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,839
so

1477
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,520
you know they're the interest is there

1478
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,359
but maybe we don't quite have uh we're

1479
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:07,839
not at the place yet to where we can

1480
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,960
really have that mature conversation

1481
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,440
now i want to i want to bring bella over

1482
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,520
to see lampie but bella

1483
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,440
bella is like crashed out over there it

1484
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:19,599
doesn't look like she wants to get up

1485
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:23,359
but um okay my roundup is is uh as

1486
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:24,400
follows

1487
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,240
um i agree with with both of your points

1488
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,680
i don't think obviously i don't think

1489
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:30,960
they know everything they don't know

1490
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,599
where these craft are from i believe

1491
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:35,920
okay so here's what i think

1492
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:38,960
i believe that based on the evidence

1493
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:42,240
shows that there are these uas craft

1494
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,680
their craft uh that appear not to go in

1495
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,839
the water uh there are these very very

1496
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,680
large craft that people have seen

1497
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:51,440
particularly where i grew up

1498
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,240
so

1499
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,640
i think the government is aware

1500
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,119
of all of these sightings and has

1501
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,760
collected probably pieces of these

1502
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:02,720
i am one i know

1503
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,720
just enough about area 51 or groom lake

1504
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,520
test range to know that

1505
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,960
and i'm going to counter something i

1506
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,680
heard on twitter they could hi i assure

1507
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:16,079
you of this i'm positive of this i i

1508
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,599
can't tell you what they have there i

1509
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,280
could tell you they could hide something

1510
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,640
there

1511
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:23,520
until you die and your kids die like

1512
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:24,400
that

1513
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,920
what we're looking at because it's been

1514
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,119
there since

1515
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,480
what 49 50 something like that

1516
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,400
so um

1517
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,559
so yes if they had something that would

1518
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:38,799
be the place that you would put it uh

1519
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,079
and i have a fair degree of confidence

1520
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,480
that something like that probably

1521
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,359
if it exists it exists there it probably

1522
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,799
exists i can't say i'm 100 sure in terms

1523
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,880
of a contractor having something like

1524
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,359
bigelow aerospace or lockheed martin i

1525
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,920
can also assure you if there was a craft

1526
00:57:02,549 --> 00:56:59,520
it would not be in one of those

1527
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,559
facilities full stop a piece of metal

1528
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:04,880
sure a couple of pieces here a couple

1529
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,160
pieces there you guys examine this yes

1530
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:10,000
something that you could walk somebody

1531
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,040
by and they'd look at it and they

1532
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,119
wouldn't know what it is but if there is

1533
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,760
a craft that's anywhere near intact it

1534
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,680
is going to be in a facility that nobody

1535
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:19,760
can see and that would be a place like

1536
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,480
the groom lake test range china lake

1537
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:24,839
ripat underground places things like

1538
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,240
that uh particularly uh it's well

1539
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,440
traveled at uh at right pat but at a

1540
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,680
place like room lake you can't even you

1541
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,520
can't even overfly it

1542
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,599
like you can't fly over top of that

1543
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:39,440
range right

1544
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,400
you know if you're an airliner

1545
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,440
yeah so so i i agree with you guys i

1546
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:47,520
don't think they know everything at all

1547
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,640
i don't think they know where these

1548
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,240
things are from i don't think they've

1549
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,880
been successful in bat back engineering

1550
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,440
any significant part of them that would

1551
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,119
lead to something that looks like tic

1552
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,200
tac because if that's the case

1553
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,960
then

1554
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,480
you know i've been involved in

1555
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,400
acquisition and we're buying airplanes

1556
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,400
that are nowhere near what tic tac is

1557
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,599
right so

1558
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,040
i don't know why we would be doing that

1559
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,200
if we could be buying something that

1560
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:14,000
will performs like tic tac so

1561
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,119
totally so so anyway let's go back to uh

1562
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,599
anjali my friend let's go back to the

1563
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,440
you know people don't want to see this

1564
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:22,880
you got to take the camera off there and

1565
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,010
even

1566
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:25,680
[Laughter]

1567
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,559
so

1568
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,839
um

1569
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:29,280
so lampe let's go through this

1570
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:30,960
chronologically

1571
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,450
um

1572
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,799
[Music]

1573
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,480
if you go through this story from the

1574
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,119
beginning tell me what resonates with

1575
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:39,440
you what you have questions about i

1576
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:40,640
don't know if you want to start at the

1577
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:43,359
hospital room or back at the apartment

1578
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,160
that

1579
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,480
she was in as a contractor with her

1580
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,559
daughter and and by the way i haven't

1581
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,000
even seen i don't know her daughter's

1582
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,000
twitter so i haven't seen anything about

1583
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:53,599
what she has to say whatsoever i'll have

1584
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,799
to talk to you about that offline but

1585
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,240
well first of all i didn't realize her

1586
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,559
daughter had a twitter so that is very

1587
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,359
interesting information um if that gets

1588
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,960
revealed i will definitely have to look

1589
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,240
into that um

1590
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,000
but yeah um

1591
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:09,839
i think anjali is a very interesting

1592
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,839
person like um i i know that uh

1593
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:15,599
what i know that

1594
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,720
some people have looked into our

1595
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,200
background and it seems like she is

1596
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,720
being honest at least about her

1597
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,640
professional credentials that there

1598
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,680
hasn't been

1599
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,960
i know some people have called them into

1600
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,160
question but no one's really found a

1601
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,359
smoking gun against that and against

1602
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,599
what she said and some people have found

1603
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,559
corroborating evidence so um she

1604
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:35,760
definitely at least worked for the

1605
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,799
government in some capacity and

1606
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:41,359
and just having seen her speak in person

1607
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,400
she's

1608
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:44,160
very

1609
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,440
you just ran into her at a cafe and made

1610
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:53,520
small talk with her she wouldn't strike

1611
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:56,559
you as somebody weird or strange you

1612
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,599
would just seem like a very nice mom

1613
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,910
so like if i saw her at a cafe and said

1614
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,599
hey would you like to go to my house and

1615
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,920
see an alien like that

1616
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,680
i'm sorry it was just too close i was

1617
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,839
right there yeah no no that's fine but

1618
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,000
um but yeah like she she seems like a

1619
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,319
very approachable person i think

1620
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,119
but like but of course like

1621
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,280
just because somebody is nice and just

1622
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,520
because someone is intelligent doesn't

1623
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,040
mean that they're necessarily

1624
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,839
trustworthy and there are aspects of her

1625
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:30,319
story that um

1626
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,040
do

1627
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,520
seem reminiscent of

1628
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,400
cults and that are that are concerning

1629
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,000
like specifically

1630
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,240
her talk about how

1631
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,240
the world is about to become

1632
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,799
uninhabitable to

1633
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,520
beings who inhabit these bodies and we

1634
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,599
are going to have to ascend to a higher

1635
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:52,160
density like that

1636
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,280
sounds

1637
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:55,520
very heaven's gatey that's very

1638
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,880
concerning to me um she sort of dropped

1639
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,440
that line at the press conference and

1640
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,680
then looked out at the reflecting pole

1641
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,520
and was like oh look the ducks are so

1642
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:07,200
pretty and i was like yes they are but

1643
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:13,109
yeah i feel like like you should say

1644
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,870
i also think that

1645
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,440
her descriptions of what's going on with

1646
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:27,920
wayne are very strange like the fact

1647
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:30,640
that he and trisha have only been

1648
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:33,920
given pseudonyms and apparently want to

1649
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,200
remain anonymous and not be involved in

1650
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:40,240
this and not have their location

1651
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:42,559
revealed and on the one hand i i get

1652
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,799
wanting your privacy like that that's

1653
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,559
why i'm here in the giant alien eye

1654
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:49,359
sunglasses going by initials but like

1655
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,240
you

1656
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:52,480
made contact with aliens

1657
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:57,039
and or et's aliens is not pc anymore i

1658
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,720
apologize uh i will post my notes app

1659
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,200
apology on twitter uh

1660
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,119
later and hopefully you won't cancel me

1661
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,160
but he but he made contact

1662
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:09,839
but he would like you more and more by

1663
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:12,319
the minute i'm sorry go ahead

1664
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,599
thank you

1665
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,240
but he made contact with et's they told

1666
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,680
him to

1667
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:20,000
drill into the mountain to find their

1668
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,880
base um this this man um single-handedly

1669
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,280
excavated a mountain in order to find

1670
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:29,760
these aliens um

1671
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:33,119
he brought in a random lady he met at a

1672
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:37,119
cafe to meet them who was then told that

1673
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:40,160
a new era is beginning because the world

1674
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,599
is about to end and he's like i want to

1675
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,520
be anonymous because my wife and i want

1676
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:48,480
to keep living a cri private life like

1677
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,960
man that ship has sailed like you're

1678
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:54,559
like

1679
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,359
this is the most significant event of

1680
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,280
our lifetimes at least if not all of

1681
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,000
human history and like you're worried

1682
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,799
about people talking about you on the

1683
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:10,880
internet like it just doesn't

1684
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:13,520
make a lot of sense to me um

1685
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:14,480
and

1686
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,760
then anjali had her post today where she

1687
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,000
sort of was heading off people

1688
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,280
wanting to find the mountain on wayne's

1689
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,280
property on their own and just sort of

1690
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:27,839
post a thread talking about how like

1691
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:32,000
wayne values his privacy um and also he

1692
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,319
is um very well off and he has armed

1693
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,200
guards outside of his place and he lives

1694
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,200
in the in a mountain in the middle of

1695
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,200
the desert

1696
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,960
oh she's so pretty

1697
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,640
but um

1698
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,280
but but yeah um

1699
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,880
and it

1700
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:52,559
it just sounds

1701
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:53,599
very

1702
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:57,039
strange and to the point where i feel

1703
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,160
like even if anjali brought back

1704
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:01,760
definitive proof

1705
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:05,359
of the aliens on this trip and like it

1706
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,079
turned out that aspect of her story was

1707
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,799
100 legit i would wonder if she's

1708
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,400
not being completely truthful on the

1709
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,119
wayne thing like i would wonder if

1710
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:16,799
wayne is

1711
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:19,920
sort of an alternate explanation for

1712
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,720
a much more

1713
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,440
powerful and resourced benefactor than

1714
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,079
you would expect from just like one guy

1715
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:30,559
who lives out in the desert with his

1716
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,079
wife um

1717
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:34,480
lampy i'm willing to go quid pro quo i

1718
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,760
mean if she produces the aliens i'm okay

1719
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:39,119
if wait

1720
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,640
yeah like

1721
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,880
you know and it could be wayne anybody

1722
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:45,039
you know i mean i'm okay with it maybe

1723
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:46,799
it'll be the return of wayne newton for

1724
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,039
all i care about

1725
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,119
yeah no that's that's totally fair but

1726
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:52,960
yeah maybe it's batman guys could be

1727
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,119
bruce wayne i mean lambie's got a high

1728
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:57,839
standard not only does she want to see

1729
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,720
four

1730
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:00,880
fully fleshed aliens one of being an

1731
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:03,599
eight foot tall lavender skin mantis

1732
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:05,440
but she also wants to know wayne's

1733
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:09,200
identity or this whole thing is a farce

1734
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,400
no but i do think that like

1735
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,160
i don't know i

1736
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,839
that bothers you there's something about

1737
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,520
you know what's interesting is

1738
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:19,440
that is that actually is an interesting

1739
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,720
point right nathan that bothers her yeah

1740
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,720
no i get it i mean

1741
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,200
there are a lot of points in this story

1742
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,880
that are

1743
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,440
uh head scratching to say the least i

1744
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,640
think

1745
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,280
at the same time since we've never had a

1746
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,160
alien reveal before we have no benchmark

1747
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,680
by which to judge what it would look

1748
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:41,599
like so yeah you know this is sort of

1749
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,480
where

1750
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,640
i think um you know we're all going to

1751
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,319
struggle right it's like we don't have

1752
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,400
anything to really judge this against

1753
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,480
other than other than

1754
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:52,079
uh the

1755
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:55,599
the number of instances in human history

1756
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,640
where

1757
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,720
individuals or groups of individuals

1758
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:01,119
have made similar

1759
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:02,720
proclamations

1760
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,200
uh that have ended up being just

1761
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:07,520
complete bogus um

1762
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,480
and you know what i don't know if um

1763
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,920
why i'm having this thought right now

1764
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,920
but when i one of the earlier books that

1765
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:16,240
i read when i started getting into this

1766
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:17,440
topic

1767
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:21,039
was uh john keels operation trojan horse

1768
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:22,640
which i highly recommend if you haven't

1769
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,839
read it you've got to read it it's

1770
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,880
excellent

1771
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,640
and what what keel

1772
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,400
does he he goes through several

1773
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,839
different

1774
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,079
uh sort of accounts throughout history

1775
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:34,559
and talks about some of the similarities

1776
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,200
uh the of the those accounts and and

1777
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,200
jacques valet does this as well in uh

1778
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,520
passport to magonia talks about all

1779
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,119
these sort of different stories and

1780
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,960
they're very strange you know they're

1781
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,119
very strange uh instances where people

1782
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,599
have encounters with you know beings and

1783
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,119
they tell people about it nobody

1784
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,280
believes them the beings are weird they

1785
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,440
do weird things that none of it really

1786
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,200
may makes a lot of sense so you're kind

1787
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,359
of left going like okay like was this a

1788
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,200
real thing that happened

1789
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,359
was this a made-up story

1790
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:06,240
and if it was real and nothing came of

1791
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,520
it what was the point of that right so

1792
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,599
keel kind of gets at this

1793
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,359
narrative that there's a trickster

1794
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:16,319
component to the phenomenon that

1795
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:17,200
uh

1796
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,400
likes to

1797
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:20,400
play with and

1798
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,599
you know toy with humanity in a way

1799
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,920
and so i think there it's a very real

1800
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,920
possibility that this her experience

1801
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,280
could have been real

1802
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,680
and uh and very real to her

1803
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:34,000
uh and when this expedition goes to

1804
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,760
wherever it may be that none of it's

1805
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,079
there right but it could still be very

1806
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:40,160
real so it may have been something that

1807
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:40,839
is

1808
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,240
designed uh its whole its whole purpose

1809
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:45,839
is designed to

1810
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,720
uh create a controversy and and have

1811
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:50,559
something kind of collapse in on on

1812
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:51,599
itself

1813
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:54,799
for reasons i don't understand but there

1814
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,839
seems to be precedent for that

1815
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,920
yeah i am i've definitely seen people

1816
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:02,319
talk about that possibility that she's

1817
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,119
not lying and she's not crazy but that

1818
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,400
whatever she had contact with is not

1819
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:10,799
something that can be trusted and

1820
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,599
if that happens i think

1821
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:16,080
i would i think that we'll have to see

1822
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:19,120
what her reaction is because if she

1823
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:21,279
comes forward and is like i

1824
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:25,920
i believed this i was misled um i

1825
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,199
and just sort of owns that then i would

1826
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,199
hope people are

1827
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,759
kind to her and that she doesn't

1828
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,239
that that it doesn't ruin her life to

1829
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:38,719
have came come forward and given her

1830
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:39,839
real name

1831
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:42,159
i would hope that if

1832
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,759
if she isn't able to produce the

1833
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:46,799
evidence but she still holds herself out

1834
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,159
as sort of being the conduit leading us

1835
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,920
to a new era that people would call her

1836
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,759
out on that um

1837
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,679
but uh

1838
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,719
but yeah either way i think that she has

1839
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:02,560
promised she's going to go back by the

1840
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:03,839
end of the year

1841
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,880
and i'm hoping that one way or another

1842
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,920
this

1843
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,319
controversy is going to be resolved by

1844
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:11,920
then like either

1845
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:15,440
either she like pulls through um takes a

1846
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,839
selfie with the lavender mantis and

1847
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:21,440
like we're all gonna have to buy our

1848
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,960
drinks or

1849
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:23,920
um

1850
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:27,520
she says like uh i was tricked and i was

1851
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:31,920
wrong and i'm sorry for having um led

1852
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:34,960
you on this wild goose chase or

1853
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,679
or she um isn't able to produce

1854
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:39,839
everything and doubles down and says

1855
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:42,960
well actually the real aliens were the

1856
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:45,920
friends we made along the way also by my

1857
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,839
book

1858
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:48,799
and repeat

1859
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,920
and people like see that for what it is

1860
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,719
and

1861
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,440
stop listening to her but either way i

1862
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,520
like those are the three options i think

1863
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,760
are on the table and i think no matter

1864
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,760
what happens it's going to be over

1865
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,920
quickly enough that i don't think it's

1866
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,280
worth

1867
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,760
damaging relationships permanently like

1868
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,840
i don't even if you disagree with

1869
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:11,120
someone on this even if you think

1870
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,600
someone is being a huge jerk about this

1871
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,960
like i

1872
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:16,480
i

1873
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,120
normally

1874
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,040
see eye to eye

1875
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:24,239
on this subject are sort of being driven

1876
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,280
apart

1877
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,960
by this controversy like there are

1878
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:29,040
people who

1879
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,239
are themselves experiencers who don't

1880
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:34,400
believe her because her story doesn't

1881
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,520
ring true to them or they think it's too

1882
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:39,280
similar to

1883
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,080
other

1884
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,320
claims that have turned out to have been

1885
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,040
made for abusive reasons and there are

1886
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,880
some people who

1887
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:48,159
are

1888
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:48,960
not

1889
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,040
usually into woo but are like like don't

1890
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:53,199
be mean to her she's she'll produce it

1891
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,560
or she won't so i i don't think that the

1892
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,719
normal lines

1893
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,040
of argument on ufo twitter are

1894
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:03,600
necessarily the same ones being drawn

1895
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,920
here and so i don't think it's worth

1896
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,760
severing ties with someone you've been

1897
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:11,440
friends with over

1898
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,360
this one very unusual event

1899
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,679
i've got i've got three things i want to

1900
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,440
ask you about well first thing the first

1901
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,280
thing is a proclamation i have

1902
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,040
volunteered to go so i just want to say

1903
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,199
that nathan make sure you take my make

1904
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,040
sure you take my last name off of that

1905
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,280
thing and just leave djs

1906
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,360
i don't want to be out anyway i've i

1907
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,760
volunteered to go uh with you anjali so

1908
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,360
i just want to say that's where that's

1909
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,280
where i'm at homegirl

1910
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,679
and i'll provide security for you too

1911
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,600
okay uh now i'm definitely she's not

1912
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:42,960
gonna let me go

1913
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:43,679
but

1914
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,840
um i was gonna ask you um first of all

1915
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,920
before i ask you i didn't know that

1916
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:52,400
other experiences hers didn't believe

1917
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,360
her

1918
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:55,679
but i want to i mean yeah like like

1919
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,960
there's something to do and there's some

1920
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:59,120
that don't like it's just

1921
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,000
like very very wide opinions on her lots

1922
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,560
of people the most common one i think is

1923
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,920
the most common opinion i think i've

1924
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,000
seen is people who just sort of want to

1925
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,000
wait and see

1926
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,239
what she produces i think i've seen very

1927
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:14,880
few people who are a hundred percent on

1928
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:18,320
board right now um but i have i've seen

1929
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,320
at least a couple of people who were

1930
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,199
supportive of her who have since shifted

1931
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,040
because they feel like the way she's

1932
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:28,159
conducted herself on social media hasn't

1933
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:33,669
yeah

1934
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:36,640
but i i i kind of yield to to nathan

1935
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,280
with that like there's and he and i have

1936
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:41,840
this discussion i think the day i just

1937
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,320
the day that you introduced me to anjali

1938
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,760
because i was unaware of her um i said

1939
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,440
you know it was a it wasn't that day but

1940
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,120
it's a few days later i said i don't

1941
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:52,960
think there's a way to tell this story

1942
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,520
and not sound if this hat let's just say

1943
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,679
that can we agree amongst the

1944
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:00,000
triumvirate that sits here

1945
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,080
where caesar pompeo magnus whatever

1946
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,320
uh mark anthony

1947
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:08,640
if if this

1948
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,560
is this within the realm of possibility

1949
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:13,679
sure

1950
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,960
uh yes anything's possible okay so if

1951
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,280
it's within the realm of possibility i

1952
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,440
submit to you often nathan the back of

1953
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:24,080
what nathan said there's no way

1954
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:24,880
to

1955
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,360
personally so not your daughter her

1956
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,040
husband whatever

1957
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,960
where it's not going to sound absolutely

1958
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:37,120
crazy

1959
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,640
is there a way

1960
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,719
where women sound absolutely nuts

1961
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:43,120
i think the only yeah they're degrees of

1962
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,669
so it's sort of like a it's almost like

1963
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:51,920
a court case in a sense like the more

1964
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,239
evidence that you could provide the the

1965
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:56,560
more likely that it would be a real

1966
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,360
thing right so right now we only have uh

1967
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,679
hearsay testimony you know we don't have

1968
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,000
any sort of tangible evidence of any

1969
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:06,560
kind other than her testimony

1970
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,520
and so if she were to come back

1971
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,920
and say well i actually i have a you

1972
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,920
know here's the here's the full name and

1973
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,560
address of the of wayne and and trish or

1974
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,480
whatever you know here's where i went

1975
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:20,080
here's how it here's you can see it's

1976
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,480
adjacent to the mountain you can

1977
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:24,239
that would be something that would add

1978
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,199
another layer of credibility to the

1979
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:29,840
story um i do think it's interesting

1980
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:32,880
that she has family who have they have

1981
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,560
not been vocally uh as far as i can tell

1982
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,480
and i i have only recently also heard

1983
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:40,880
that she had a daughter on twitter but i

1984
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:44,080
haven't heard of any instance where they

1985
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:47,280
are coming out in in opposition to her

1986
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,239
story

1987
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,920
so that

1988
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,880
brings another layer of credibility to

1989
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:55,199
it that if she has shared this she's put

1990
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,640
herself out there she's put her family

1991
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,920
name out there

1992
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,760
if they haven't come forward and said

1993
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,000
you know we really need to take care of

1994
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:05,040
of anjali here you know

1995
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,560
i mean i don't think i would come

1996
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,880
forward like even if i didn't believe

1997
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:10,239
the story like i don't think i'd

1998
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:12,960
spontaneously go on twitter and be like

1999
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:16,400
guys my mom is nuts like i think i would

2000
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:17,840
just well i guess

2001
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,480
entirely i think it depends though in

2002
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,880
the sense that um

2003
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:24,640
you know what what what is at stake i

2004
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,159
suppose right you know i think you have

2005
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,239
to answer that that question if if it's

2006
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,480
just the disappointment of some twitter

2007
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,480
people you know maybe that's not a big

2008
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,719
deal and you're right it's not worth you

2009
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:36,159
know kind of putting yourself out there

2010
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,679
but if it's more than that if it's

2011
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:38,880
somebody who

2012
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:42,080
uh you know is is making literal plans

2013
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:45,199
this year to do xyz based on the

2014
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,840
imminent disclosure of whatever it is

2015
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:49,600
you know they're spending money on it

2016
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,480
they're

2017
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,880
changing their will and testament to you

2018
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,800
know to to whatever's going to happen

2019
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:56,159
that they think will happen you know

2020
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:57,760
there are all these things that the

2021
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:00,159
people will do and so you know what

2022
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:03,040
responsibility do you have to those

2023
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:04,000
people

2024
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,199
uh to

2025
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,360
to prevent them from making those large

2026
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:10,080
decisions if you happen to have

2027
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,360
knowledge that it's

2028
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:13,440
a fraud you know mm-hmm

2029
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,320
well i'd i'd have to wrestle with that

2030
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:18,480
she obviously you know i mean in her

2031
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,640
mind this this this happened i mean

2032
01:16:27,790 --> 01:16:24,719
so i mean there's no doubt in her mind

2033
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,800
but what i was gonna ask lampy regarding

2034
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:29,360
experiencers

2035
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,560
is if

2036
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:32,719
you think that somebody sees a being

2037
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,960
because for example like terry loveless

2038
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:36,800
describes a being that looks very

2039
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,600
similar to the being that that anjali

2040
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:41,440
described i'm sure you've read different

2041
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:42,400
accounts

2042
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:45,520
do you find that that one could be

2043
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:48,640
causal in the other that somebody if if

2044
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,600
something

2045
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,760
and i'm not saying this is necessarily

2046
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,840
applies to anjali or any

2047
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,360
but there are several people who said

2048
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,199
they've seen mantises

2049
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:59,520
um do you believe that

2050
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:00,400
that

2051
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,040
happening within your mind making it

2052
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,199
very real that you're getting it from

2053
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,679
somebody else you think that's possible

2054
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,120
yeah like it's very difficult because

2055
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:13,840
like like you said a lot of accounts

2056
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:15,760
report things that look very similar

2057
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,080
like mantises um

2058
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:20,000
tall whites grays like those are the

2059
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,840
three i remember her mentioning in her

2060
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:23,360
press conference and those are three

2061
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:25,280
very common things to report and it's

2062
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,480
like is everyone reporting this because

2063
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,719
these are the aliens that exist or is

2064
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,080
are they reporting this because they're

2065
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,320
ripping off each other and i don't think

2066
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:36,480
that there's an easy way to answer this

2067
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,159
question without more evidence um

2068
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,960
i will say that um

2069
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,400
for me

2070
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:46,719
i don't think there's a way to report an

2071
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,360
experience like anjali claims that

2072
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:51,040
doesn't sound crazy like even if it

2073
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:53,600
happened but i do think there's room to

2074
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,000
scrutinize sort of

2075
01:18:02,310 --> 01:17:59,520
the way she conducts herself

2076
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,320
after the experience so for example like

2077
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:04,320
the way she talks to people on twitter

2078
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:08,239
and read it sort of the way she

2079
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:12,719
like plans the event because one thing i

2080
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:15,520
keep coming back to is that if this is

2081
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,480
true

2082
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:18,719
it is

2083
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:23,360
important thing that is going on

2084
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:26,000
in the world right now because it has

2085
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:29,600
consequences for all of humanity and

2086
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:35,510
and she's saying that she's going to

2087
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:39,520
have this expedition and that she is

2088
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,040
committed to doing that and she posts um

2089
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:44,960
she posts affirmations that she's

2090
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,159
channeling from the beings allegedly but

2091
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,520
i don't get the sense of urgency that i

2092
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:53,679
think the situation

2093
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:54,560
would

2094
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:55,520
merit

2095
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:58,640
and i think that she

2096
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,679
is

2097
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,400
i think she's overly

2098
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:04,880
invested in worrying about

2099
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,840
really trivial stuff like i saw that she

2100
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,520
unblocked everyone that she blocked and

2101
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,199
i respect that i

2102
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:14,239
um but up until that point she was

2103
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:17,679
getting increasingly frazzled um lashing

2104
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,320
out at people on twitter and on reddit

2105
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:22,320
um even like banning people from her

2106
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:25,920
subreddit for like stuff that was fairly

2107
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:28,960
minor in terms of questioning her and

2108
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:31,199
and on the one hand i get that she's

2109
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,719
under a lot of scrutiny and some people

2110
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:33,600
have been

2111
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,199
very mean in the way that they've

2112
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,520
criticized her like i've seen people

2113
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,120
make um

2114
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,320
make comments like accusing her of um

2115
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,920
faking needing a wheelchair which i

2116
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,080
don't think is ever appropriate to

2117
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:48,960
accuse someone of i've seen people like

2118
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,840
make comments like like oh it's like oh

2119
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,239
she's so like oh she's hot too bad she's

2120
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,640
crazy like like don't like don't be

2121
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:58,560
sexist guys like what would your mother

2122
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,360
think

2123
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:01,280
but um

2124
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:05,920
but at the same time like you're

2125
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:08,719
you met aliens you are currently

2126
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:11,440
channeling them like they have chosen

2127
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:14,880
you to lead us into our ascension to a

2128
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:17,679
higher density and you are worried about

2129
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:20,719
people being mean to you on the internet

2130
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,639
like i mean the last time somebody had

2131
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:26,960
revelations of this significance they

2132
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,480
got crucified and you're upset because

2133
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:32,960
somebody with 200 followers on twitter

2134
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:36,400
and an x-files profile picture is saying

2135
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:40,000
unkind things about you like i

2136
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:45,669
i don't know i feel like

2137
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:46,639
if

2138
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,639
i can't say what i would do in this

2139
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:51,199
situation obviously because it's so

2140
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,960
beyond anything that anyone's

2141
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,760
like

2142
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:58,000
confirmed to have experienced but i

2143
01:21:03,350 --> 01:20:58,840
think

2144
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:03,360
that i would expect her to

2145
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:04,400
be

2146
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:08,159
so singularly focused on this

2147
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:11,840
history changing event and not getting

2148
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,000
bogged down in internet drama and not

2149
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:16,320
dragging her feet on and building the

2150
01:21:21,870 --> 01:21:20,239
team just sort of like getting out there

2151
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:21,880
getting these

2152
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,280
extraterrestrials to like

2153
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,280
come to the press conference with her

2154
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,040
and announce their intentions to the

2155
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,360
world and like hit the ground running on

2156
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:33,440
what we need to do to

2157
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:36,639
ascend to our higher density before we

2158
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,560
are all sol like like come on

2159
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,120
and i want to say i want to say that

2160
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:45,679
the first part of that story that i

2161
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:47,679
found problematic is what you did is

2162
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,800
about the excavation of the tunnel

2163
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:53,040
i don't know if she asked him

2164
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:55,520
specifically did someone from your

2165
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:58,880
company come out and help you do this

2166
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:00,639
i don't see why it would be unreasonable

2167
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,320
that he couldn't have had

2168
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,400
people that work from him come out and

2169
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,159
help him make that tunnel i'd i would

2170
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,800
find that problematic that one man could

2171
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:11,199
make that if she was walking through a

2172
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,520
tunnel for five to ten minutes and of

2173
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,080
course if this happened i mean your your

2174
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,960
sense of time is gonna be very skewed at

2175
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,560
that moment you know you're not gonna

2176
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,639
know how long you were in that tunnel i

2177
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,639
mean it could have been a minute it

2178
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,199
could have been five minutes you know

2179
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,760
but i agree with you that i found that

2180
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,280
problematic but

2181
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:33,520
that may not have been something that

2182
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,560
she drilled down on with him you get it

2183
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:38,960
excavation metaphor sorry

2184
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,189
i actually asked her at the press

2185
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:44,639
conference um

2186
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:46,960
a question about wayne because uh i was

2187
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:50,800
curious how he had gotten in touch with

2188
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,520
the ets because he her story is that

2189
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:56,000
like he saw the ufo he was curious about

2190
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,120
it he

2191
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:59,280
went out every night to try and contact

2192
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,159
it and then eventually the occupants of

2193
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,920
the ufo told him like we're in the

2194
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:05,679
mountain go dig to the center of the

2195
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,480
mountain

2196
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,560
and so i asked her like how he

2197
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,480
established contact with them like did

2198
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,199
he do something to make the first move

2199
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,520
or did they just reach out to him via

2200
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,159
conscious contact like she describes and

2201
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:20,159
she said that she and she told me that

2202
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,320
she hadn't um really discussed in depth

2203
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:27,120
those questions with him like she was

2204
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,960
just sort of like she heard the story

2205
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,040
and was immediately eager to go to the

2206
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:33,600
mountain which i understand that but i

2207
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,159
don't really get why they didn't talk

2208
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:38,480
more about it after they got back from

2209
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,120
the mountain and she's also indicated

2210
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:43,199
that she hasn't been in touch with him

2211
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:44,000
for

2212
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:47,360
a long time at this point which also

2213
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:50,800
seems very strange like this seems like

2214
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:53,520
being two of the only people who

2215
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,880
know about

2216
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:56,960
extraterrestrials having a presence on

2217
01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:59,520
earth seems like the sort of

2218
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,920
experience that creates a bond that you

2219
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,679
don't just like

2220
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:05,840
just go away so

2221
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:08,560
right yeah um completely

2222
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,840
you ask great questions man

2223
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,679
i mean no i love that i love that

2224
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,520
analysis um

2225
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,040
you know and for me and

2226
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:18,880
dj will tell you this like

2227
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:19,840
i

2228
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,480
uh and and what are the

2229
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,800
what are the checklist of things

2230
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,280
that the community needs to see in order

2231
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:01,199
for for us

2232
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:02,159
to say

2233
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:05,760
yeah this is a credible uh person i i

2234
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,159
trust this person's experience like a la

2235
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:10,800
whit whitley strieber or travis walton

2236
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,000
or other big name experiencers who who

2237
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,639
have recounted whatever it is you know

2238
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:19,679
what gives those experiences and stories

2239
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:21,040
credibility

2240
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,400
against

2241
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:24,320
this particular story you know so i

2242
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:27,440
think we needed we need a conversation

2243
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:30,800
about this type of criteria

2244
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,719
because going forward uh it's possible

2245
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,120
that uh there will be more stories like

2246
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,199
this and so do we

2247
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:41,600
you know to to what extent do we give

2248
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,320
air time uh or tweet time or whatever it

2249
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:46,560
is uh to the next

2250
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:47,600
story

2251
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,960
uh and spend energy and effort kind of

2252
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:52,800
following it dissecting it whatever it

2253
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,400
is uh

2254
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:56,400
as opposed to letting it just kind of

2255
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,120
come and go and wash over us you know

2256
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,040
as a community and you know we're

2257
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,280
weighing this against you know the

2258
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:05,199
government disclosure component so i

2259
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:07,040
said we have a chat you know in the on

2260
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,560
the on the live stream and put it up

2261
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,840
here

2262
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:12,000
from gabriel so hey gabriel you know

2263
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:13,600
he's saying he's saying that you know

2264
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,000
she's running interference against the

2265
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,400
government disclosure narrative so the

2266
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:20,560
kind of a competing thing but you know i

2267
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:23,360
would argue that the experiencer stories

2268
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,960
are always running some kind of counter

2269
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,280
uh narrative to

2270
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,679
uh state truth you know

2271
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,440
so uh

2272
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,600
you know how do we weigh those two

2273
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:37,120
things in in the community how do you

2274
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:38,480
weigh them you know how do you weigh

2275
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,880
government louis lozando stuff

2276
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:43,199
against experience or stuff

2277
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,480
you know is elizondo more more important

2278
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:48,639
or are they equally important and how do

2279
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,120
you make that decision

2280
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,360
um honestly i don't think that i've ever

2281
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,199
really thought about it in terms of like

2282
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:58,159
who's more important like i will say

2283
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:01,520
that i don't see it as a competition i

2284
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:04,239
think that some people on ufo twitter

2285
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:06,800
who are on more the nuts and bolts

2286
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,560
government disclosure side tend to

2287
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,040
not all of them but some of them tend to

2288
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:15,199
be concerned about platforming

2289
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:18,320
experiencers too much because they are

2290
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:21,440
concerned about harming the credibility

2291
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,960
of this topic with the mainstream and i

2292
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:26,800
don't think that we should think of it

2293
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:30,000
that way first of all like despite what

2294
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:32,080
may have been the original intentions of

2295
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:34,880
the hashtag i genuinely do not think

2296
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:37,920
there is anyone on ufo twitter who is

2297
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,120
not already interested in this topic

2298
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,520
like this is not the

2299
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,600
platform that we use to reach out to the

2300
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,239
normies this is people who are already

2301
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:50,960
interested in ufos uaps talking to each

2302
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,760
other like you may not like that that's

2303
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:55,280
the state of things but that is the

2304
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,639
state of things so i don't think there's

2305
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,639
any reason to censor ourselves in terms

2306
01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:00,560
of what we discuss

2307
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:01,840
and

2308
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:04,400
also i think that

2309
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:07,920
when we talk about anjali we shouldn't

2310
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:10,639
conflate her too much with the average

2311
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:13,600
experiencer because i think that some

2312
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:16,560
people see the way that she has been

2313
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,600
treated on social media and

2314
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,320
react very negatively not because they

2315
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:25,280
support her but because they

2316
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:29,199
don't want to see experiences broadly

2317
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,239
treated badly and like treated like they

2318
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,320
have ulterior motives or they're lying

2319
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:36,480
or they're crazy or whatever

2320
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,600
but i think that anjali's

2321
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,239
story is very different than someone who

2322
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,159
just says i

2323
01:28:49,229 --> 01:28:47,040
saw something or i

2324
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,239
was contacted

2325
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,880
telepathically

2326
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:52,800
under these circumstances like she is

2327
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,800
specifically claiming

2328
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,400
that she is

2329
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:58,000
currently channeling these beings that

2330
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:01,199
she has been chosen to be

2331
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:04,880
their mouthpiece as we

2332
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:07,920
go forward and do what we must to

2333
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:13,360
survive as a species and that is

2334
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,080
when you put yourself out as a leader

2335
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:18,719
you have more responsibility to the

2336
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,840
community than if you're just

2337
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:23,600
saying talking about something that

2338
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:26,080
happened to you and sure and also like

2339
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,000
she's she's not like just some like

2340
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,560
teenager or some housewife who had an

2341
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,199
experience like she worked in

2342
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:38,080
it she worked in military intelligence

2343
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:39,360
like she's

2344
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:40,080
like

2345
01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:50,960
i don't think that we need to assume

2346
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:53,679
that treating her with scrutiny and

2347
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,040
treating the average experiencer with

2348
01:30:03,030 --> 01:29:58,800
kindness and open mind

2349
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:03,040
mindedness are mutually exclusive things

2350
01:30:04,830 --> 01:30:03,920
wow

2351
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:04,840
a

2352
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:27,840
somebody else

2353
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:30,320
is expecting you to say or trying to

2354
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:32,800
meet a certain standard you were coming

2355
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:35,120
through as this is authentically how i

2356
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:37,760
feel about this and i'm gonna say it and

2357
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:39,520
i don't care what anybody thinks about

2358
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:42,639
it and i respect that i really do um

2359
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:43,920
that was great

2360
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:46,480
um let's talk about your book home girl

2361
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,390
oh yeah well um so i finished the like

2362
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:04,639
first of all like it's a very like

2363
01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:07,280
light-hearted like sci-fi adventure book

2364
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,719
like it's not like a serious literary

2365
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:11,760
examination of

2366
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:12,960
the

2367
01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:15,040
of alien abductions or anything it's

2368
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:17,120
just a girl who gets abducted by aliens

2369
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,159
and goes on adventures and um and it's

2370
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:22,239
fun i hope but uh i finished the rough

2371
01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:26,320
draft back in june i started uh revising

2372
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:28,239
it a couple weeks ago and i'm currently

2373
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:31,840
working on that and uh hoping to

2374
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,560
have my first round of revisions done by

2375
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,400
the end of this month um then i'm gonna

2376
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,800
send the draft to some some more friends

2377
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:40,480
and then i'm gonna revise some more and

2378
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,800
hoping to be done done by the end of

2379
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:45,840
this year and then after that i'm going

2380
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:48,639
to start querying it like i i'm hoping

2381
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:49,360
that

2382
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,880
like i'm going to try to get it

2383
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,719
traditionally published but like if that

2384
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,480
doesn't work out i'll reevaluate but

2385
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:57,199
yeah it's just it's been fun

2386
01:32:02,709 --> 01:31:59,760
that's awesome are you an experiencer

2387
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:02,719
i am not no i just i i got into this

2388
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:04,880
topic when i was eight or nine years old

2389
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:06,719
because uh

2390
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:09,199
uh i was with my mom at her boyfriend's

2391
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:11,280
house and they watched signs and i

2392
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:13,199
watched it with them and it was super

2393
01:32:19,149 --> 01:32:16,239
creepy and interesting and then i um and

2394
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:19,159
then someone gave me a book about uh

2395
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:23,040
ufos and aliens that i read and so that

2396
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,520
was my introduction to the topic i am i

2397
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,840
am not an experiencer never seen one

2398
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:29,840
like outside no okay

2399
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:31,280
okay that's awesome

2400
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:32,960
and nathan has so i'm the only one

2401
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:37,280
that's seen one you have yeah yeah

2402
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:38,800
he's kind of a big deal

2403
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,120
yeah i'm a big deal now um

2404
01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:43,360
mine was so brief like you know we were

2405
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,280
discussing it on the big phone home the

2406
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:47,280
other day and luis

2407
01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:49,840
his experience was minutes long like

2408
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,840
much mine was seconds you know uh and so

2409
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:56,000
many people from where you know i'm

2410
01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:57,760
actually feel validated because so many

2411
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:00,320
people from the hudson valley saw ufos

2412
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:03,840
uh and so but i didn't know that for not

2413
01:33:08,709 --> 01:33:06,480
talking about it for 30 years or 40

2414
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:08,719
years whatever the hell it was so

2415
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:11,120
i'm 54 so you know i was 14 when it

2416
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:12,080
happened

2417
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,239
um anyway

2418
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:16,000
all right um

2419
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:18,239
so what is oh let me just ask you the

2420
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:20,719
title of your book before we uh wrap up

2421
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:21,679
here

2422
01:33:25,669 --> 01:33:24,000
the working title is a lift out of town

2423
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:25,679
which um nice

2424
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,199
it's like i'm amazed that i have a title

2425
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,120
normally titling things is like the

2426
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,520
hardest part of writing for me but but

2427
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:33,199
that's my title right now um it could

2428
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:35,280
change but that that is the title as far

2429
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,440
as we are concerned

2430
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,600
i know i know i know one person who's

2431
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:41,520
buying it did you have anything else you

2432
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,639
wanted to hit on before we go lampy

2433
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:46,960
uh no i think we pretty much covered

2434
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:48,880
everything like we went over on julie

2435
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:50,880
again we talked about sort of the state

2436
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:53,760
of ufo twitter um anything else y'all

2437
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:55,840
wanna say

2438
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:57,679
nathan do you have anything

2439
01:34:02,310 --> 01:33:59,840
i'm good man this has been a great

2440
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:02,320
chat with you appreciate you taking time

2441
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,639
out to speak with us on on such short

2442
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:07,120
notice at that uh that was great i had

2443
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:09,679
so much fun thank you for inviting me

2444
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:11,600
i loved it

2445
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:13,120
yeah definitely you're welcome to come

2446
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,800
back if you want to talk about something

2447
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:16,320
you see something that you want to bring

2448
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:19,520
up um i love to share the platform which

2449
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,080
is how you know nathan got on it i'm i'm

2450
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,000
happy to you know dan warren's been on a

2451
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,480
couple of times luisa's menace has been

2452
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:28,560
on a couple times andy mcgrillen's been

2453
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:31,040
on at least two or three times so you

2454
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:34,560
know i'm all about it um and i really

2455
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:36,960
appreciate it again i want to thank you

2456
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,360
for your authenticity because it was i

2457
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,600
think it was very obvious to nathan

2458
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,000
and i when

2459
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:46,320
your passions were aroused about

2460
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:48,960
specific aspects no and you know what

2461
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:51,199
that that's great i mean that's

2462
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:52,880
that's what it's all about i mean it's

2463
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:53,920
all about

2464
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,719
uh connecting with people and being able

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01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:58,960
to tell what you feel and how you feel

2466
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:01,360
you guys saw me do it about mick west a

2467
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:03,280
little while ago you know and that you

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01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:04,960
did it you know

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01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:06,639
and so that's what it's really all about

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01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:09,199
and i'm i'm so happy that we were able

2471
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,119
to be here and experience that with you

2472
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:13,520
i really mean that okay

2473
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:15,520
thank you it was great to be here thank

2474
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:16,800
you girlfriend we're going to do it

2475
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:18,639
again we got to do a uh another one of

2476
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,840
those twitter spaces

2477
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:23,920
i actually sounded professional on there

2478
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,520
you know i actually sounded like i knew

2479
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:27,199
what i was talking about

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01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:32,390
looking forward to the next one for sure

2481
01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:34,719
it was cool party people we are calling

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01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:38,760
all beings that is s a at lampe

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01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,360
1947 the same year

2484
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:43,440
the air force was born and the same year

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01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:44,159
of

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01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,109
air force birthday's coming up in a

2487
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,239
couple of months that is nathan at a

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01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:54,480
wave soul on twitter

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01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:57,199
one of my latest blessings in life over

2490
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:58,480
the last couple of months has been

2491
01:36:02,550 --> 01:35:59,440
nathan

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01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:02,560
uh joining and agreeing to be my uh

2493
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,280
podcast partner and putting so much work

2494
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,679
into this uh we'll bring you more guests

2495
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,679
who knows who we're gonna have on next

2496
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,600
man alright you know i really want

2497
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:13,920
lieutenant tim mcmillan there's so many

2498
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:15,520
people i want to have on and none of

2499
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,159
them are the same so yeah

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01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:19,840
it's a big family

2501
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:23,679
it is so for lambie 1947 for nathan at a

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01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,880
wave soul i am dj saying peace out